You’ll like the Penobscot.I’ve owned three Penobscot 16s, and have paddled the 17s. Still it was doable. Old Town Discovery 119Hi guys, thank you for all your input. It became a very initially stable canoe, and even tracked better. Would this be a good boat? I have 8' of support for the canoe with the tailgate down. If kneeling, however, it would put your weight too far forward, which is another good point you had. So why get a tandem Disco that will weigh a lot more than that? It was still a very responsive, maneuverable canoe. Should make sitting down from the standing position easier. I wouldn’t trade them for much of anything for paddling class I rivers and smaller lakes. I’ve got two Royalex Vagabonds, an old beat up one for skinny water and shoals to drag over, and a new one. I am a 64 year old man in pretty good physical shape for my age. I just attended a presentation where two gals in a homemade dugout canoe sailed and paddled their eleven foot craft around all of Lake Michigans shores. Compact and fun to paddle, the Discovery 119 has been a long time favorite. I still say they’re both toys, the D119and the Pack. I’m excited to say I just scored a mint condition Old Town Pack for $350.00. Sure, you can paddle a small tandem solo, but it won’t handle like a solo and it won’t be as much fun. Paddling place claims its about $900 which is still budget friendly but I might have to wait a bit longer. They are quicker…handy for when waves kick up and you need to get somewhere. . All in all, it was far from the best solo canoe I’ve ever owned, but it was fun and the light weight alone makes it a much better choice than the 119. My final review on the Pack, with the seat moved forward, is that it’s a slow canoe and doesn’t do all that well on flatwater, but is great for small rivers and creeks. Planning a trip next year on part of the NFCT in New Hampshire. As for the 119 – I haven’t used it much as it is my boat for guests, but I would imaging it would be easier to stand in as it weighs more and has a stiffer plastic hull, although this is purely speculation. That means it’s likely to turn easily and be almost too responsive when paddling… paddling with a traditional single bladed paddle. So the solution to "tippy" is to not hold you body stiffly, but do keep your torso upright and keep your head inside the gunwales. I now realize that in the Adirondacks that might not be so, but only because you might be required to kneel a lot more than I ever did. The “seated” aspect is arguableI paddle while kneeling most of the time, but not everyone does. If the OP is paddling some ADK lakes which are big, the waves are big and choppy and your seat is high you really have to. I think I lose almost 8 inches of width so I am sure it will be more tippy, but at this point I have 500+ hours of stand up fishing from a canoe and I think I could handle it unless it is just impossible. I love all the input, suggestions and ideas you have thrown at me and I really appreciate it. However, having spent a LOT of time in the Pack as I said, I can say that moving the seat forward did not compromise handling, nor did it require using a long double blade or making sweep strokes. Been thinking hard and I am going to keep the kayak and next year invest in either a proper solo canoe or and Old Town canoe for my sons and I to trip with. I owned a Pack long enough to wear out the bottom, install skid plates, and wear through the skid plates (doing a LOT of bony creeks). Interesting…. Been thinking hard and I am going to keep the kayak and next year invest in either a proper solo canoe or and Old Town canoe for my sons and I to trip with. I will note that it is far easier to stand in the pack barefoot. So there are other options out there. Old Town Discovery 119Trust me when I say I’m confused about a canoe. You will be double blading but with a shorter paddle. The OT Pack was designed for small Maine ponds and fishing and hunting and dragging. Like you, when I first got it I thought it was pretty tippy feeling, but I moved the seat forward to where the front edge of the seat was just about at the center of the canoe, and it made all the difference in the world. Has anyone tried to stand up and fish in either of the two shorter Old Town models? I’m picking up the OT Pack on Monday and definitely plan to play. And thanks to our construction process, it's tough without being too heavy. If you are heavy you will make the bow heavy and the boat less controllable as the front gets pitched down. The plus for little boats is that one tends to use them more as they are less of a hassle to load and walk with. At times, its small size made it fun to paddle, but it didn’t carry much camping gear, and when it was loaded with camping gear, it didn’t cover ground or keep up with other boats very well. Want to do some flat water, river and lakes camping. Plus, one of the beauties of solo canoes is that they ARE light. You may use an initial for either your first or last name. Old Town Discovery 119 Hi guys, thank you for all your input. River paddlers in other parts of the country can float. No matter what, many of the reasons a person might prefer a canoe over a kayak remain the same regardless of the paddling position. It’s tippy…because the seat is placed too far back. They all serve a purpose. Had oneand sold it. The pack feels FAR lighter. With the Discovery 119 Solo Sportsman, Old Town delivers the ideal grab-n-go watercraft for anglers and hunters alike. I have this canoe and solo it often. There is a reason canoe trippers buy a longer boat for camping. All contents © 2005 - 2020 Zach Matthews | Comments expressed by individuals are not those of owner. For the next trip down there I am getting rid of the “angler” plastic seat as it is really in the way and putting in a simple flat wood with woven mesh can seat. After fishing in the 119 since I got it in August, I can say that it has been a marked improvement over the kayak. The higher sitting position is much more back friendly and considerably improves visibility. Like the others in the series, this solo canoe is agile, stable and easy to handle. One of the best Royalex tandems ever made, in my opinion. No its not. You may have to register before you can post: click the register link above to proceed. The Disco 119 is really kind of a toy canoe. With my Pack: I’ve stood while fly fishing in the pack in shallow salt flats in the Florida panhandle. I like the weight and the price…. When you register, please be sure to set your display name to your real name. Flats booties are OK, but my usual Simms wader boots are tough to maintain balance. While you're here, please remember to check out the Photoblog, Podcasts, Gear Reviews and Articles! I am in a two man Guide 147 right now, and it is a great boat, but I would love to see how much stability I lost trying to do my thing in the shorter versions. It IS possible using very accurate judgment to circumnavigate Lake Michigan in a sub twelve foot boat. Depends a lot on what you want to do with the canoe, but I’ve never felt the need nor the wish to do much kneeling, except in a few instances when I was going through whitewater with good sized irregular wave trains and really needed to lower my center of gravity. Its a whole lot better performing too and half the weight or more. If the OP feels sitting high is unstable then perhaps a Hornbeck pack canoe is in order. This board has a Real First and Last Name policy. I also have experience in canoes from decades ago. Good point on the ADK…I can see kneeling as being desirable or necessary in big lake wave action. I took my new Old Town Discovery 119 on its maiden voyage today, in early April, and I was pleased. There are better choices than a Disco 119. Blog › Forums › Fly Fishing › Old Town Guide/Discovery 119 versus Pack 12 This topic has 2 replies, 2 voices, and was last updated Apr 15, 2014 at 9:34 am by Zach Matthews . I use to have a Discovery 164 and I loved it but ever since I lost more than 100 lbs I couldn’t lift it… Trying a solo Wenonah next Monday. Stick with a kayak if you like to paddle seated. Discovery 119Thank you for the insight. To start viewing messages, select the forum that you … That riverpirate guy (Randy Vining I believe) posts on ga river fishing a alot that he took teh seat completely out of his pack and stands in it all the time. You must be logged in to reply to this topic. Viewing 3 posts - 1 through 3 (of 3 total), So I had a breakthrough today…. Would have never thought of moving seat forward. https://harrisburg.craigslist.org/boa/5990566693.html, Rodeos : Bassifieds : Help : Member Introductions, Articles / Product Reviews : Photos : Roundtable Archives (the early years), Roundtable Archives (select discussions from the early years), If this is your first visit, be sure to You’d find the Vagabond, in whatever material you can get it in these days, is a much better canoe. 158the disco 158 is an option. Its probably not a wise choice for Long Lake and Raquette and those sort of lakes. All in all, based on years and many miles of experience in the Pack, I found that for my purposes, sitting and not kneeling, paddling smaller lakes and class I-II rivers, moving the seat forward vastly improved the stability and handling of the Pack. Probably could do it holding the boat on a bathroom scale. Sounds like what I'm looking for. Anyone have a OT Pack? it ain’t THAT wide a canoe even in the center. Fishing. I have never heard of an ADK paddler referring to any sort of float trip. My first solo canoe was roughly similarin size. My back can’t take that for long, nor can my knees take kneeling for long. I’m excited to say I just scored a mint condition Old Town Pack for $350.00. Shop around, and you might get lucky. Its not low enough for pure sitters but does not allow for kneeling. PriceUsed tripping solos can go for a similar price. No solo canoe should weigh more than 45 pounds. Pack canoes are usually much lighter but more $$ unless you can buy them used. You didn’t mention location but from your moniker the Adirondacks are likely… Give a thought as to how you would portage the 119. check out the. Weight. Its a double blade creature. I haven't tried the motor in it yet, but I'll bet it flies. It's a really easy boat to handle solo and car top, and even my fat old butt feels comfortable standing in it. You should sell it to me! Blog › Forums › Fly Fishing › Old Town Guide/Discovery 119 versus Pack 12. Its kind of like the canoe equivalent of rec kayak. I use a canoe cart so the weight isnt really an issue. Part of the "tippy" feeling mentioned is not the boat at all..Heck its a barge.. Its that sitting high is inherently unstable. PriceThank you for the insight… I have always been partial to Old Town canoes. Environment does inflence design. Looking at the Discovery 119 solo canoe as I want to replace my kayak. Kneeling is not a snob thing nor over rated. I’d like to give them a shot if you don’t mind some time. I own one of each and you’re welcome to try either. Viewing 3 posts - 1 through 3 (of 3 total) Canoe$350 is a great price for the OT Pack. If you want a solo canoe…get a solo canoe, not a small tandem. Over the miles you will appreciate that. Maybe you don’t need that guest 119 as bad as you think? It's even well-suited for a double-bladed paddle. The guy also threw in a barely used Minnkota and a motor mount for another $100. Most any experienced canoeist will know from looking at the Old Town Guide 119 or its counterpart the Discovery model 119, that it is short and has a moderate rocker. The forward seat position actually made the canoe track better without much real effect on maneuverability. They handle a lot more gear while maintaining safe freeboard. And lower the seat. It is a 9 f…, Old Town Guide/Discovery 119 versus Pack 12, This topic has 2 replies, 2 voices, and was last updated. There’s no standard for “toy”, but very small with low capacity and limited ability to really DO anything can be considered a toy. I tried one a while back, and it was so tippy I couldn’t wait to get off of it. However I have drooled for years over the Penobscott 17 and I think I will invest in one come Spring. Don't move that one forward. edge is at center of the boat you have committed to using either sweep strokes or a long double blade.